Sunday, July 18, 2021

Journey to the Satanic Planet: A Conversation with Lucien Greaves



Remember when records scared the hell out of people?

Venom. Ozzy. Maiden. Judas Priest. Slayer. These were some of the artists who landed on the hit lists of many a devout (some would say hysterical) Christian and/or political leader during the infamous Satanic Panic of the 1980s. Television programs and news reports regularly featured horrified parents and self-proclaimed “occult authorities” who shook audiences with tales of devil worship, murderous cults and the evil (and often “subliminal”) messages found in Heavy Metal music. Of course, such handwringing was complete and utter bullshit, but it was thrilling to know that Rock ‘n’ Roll still possessed the ability to instill the right amount of fear in the hearts and minds of those who will never understand.

So, here we are in 2021, and the real world is a lot more frightening than anything presented on a recorded work. That said, the sinister crew calling itself Satanic Planet has just unleashed one of the darkest and most undeniably devilish debut albums in years. It certainly helps that a bona fide Satanist – Lucien Greaves, co-founder of The Satanic Temple – is among the group’s ranks. None other than Dave fucking Lombardo (Slayer/Dead Cross/Mr. Bungle/The Original Misfits/Suicidal Tendencies/Fantômas) supplies the drums and additional sounds, while Justin Pearson (The Locust/Dead Cross/Swing Kids/Deaf Club/Retox/All Leather) and Luke Henshaw (Planet B/Sonido de la Frontera) round out the quarter. They are joined on their recently released eponymous album by a slew of guests, including Shiva Honey, Travis Ryan (Cattle Decapitation), Jung Sing (Silent/All Leather), Eric Livingston (First Church of the Void), Nomi Abadi and Carrie Feller (Hexa).

At first listen, Satanic Planet sounds like a Hammer Film soundtrack LP that’s been left out in the sun for an afternoon. However, repeated spins reveal a richly complex and wildly inventive ride. Leave your preconceived notions at the door, because this is not mere juvenile shock value packaged in a spooky name.

Satanic Planet’s history dates back to Greaves’ 2019 press campaign for the Satanic Temple documentary, Hail Satan? While in England, he was asked by Metal Hammer to discuss some of his favorite music and immediately included Dead Cross – Pearson and Lombardo’s band with Faith No More’s Mike Patton – on the list.

“This interview found its way to the guys in Dead Cross, and Justin reached out to me and wanted to know if I’d do an interview with him for a podcast he does with Luke Henshaw, who is now part of Satanic Planet,” he recalls. “Justin does another act with him called Planet B. So, they came out to Salem. We were sitting around talking, doing this podcast and hanging out. Justin floated the idea that we would do some kind of album.”

The initial plan was for Greaves to perform spoken word over background sounds. However, this concept swiftly changed once he traveled to the West Coast to begin work on the project.

“When we got into the studio, we just kind of abandoned the spoken word concept and just started working full-on into music. It was a bizarre kind of dynamic we had in the studio, because we went in there without much preparatory work. We had this idea of doing spoken word, and I had some text. Then, we ended up working on music, which made me kind of abandon the text I had and start revising things. So, we were actually in the studio for a couple of weeks where we were playing around with sounds simultaneously to me writing lyrics for those sounds and rhythms we were coming up with on the spot. I would text segments of these lyrics I was writing to Justin and Luke, and Luke and I would get in the sound booth and play around with vocals and things like that. I don’t know how many bands just actually write everything in real time when they go into the studio.”

Unfortunately, no one involved in Satanic Planet knew that the entire world was about to pause.

“I had just gotten home from the studio in San Diego and went straight into lockdown. This was March 14th of 2020. We were supposed to play our first shows starting like March 23, something like that. We had the album pretty much all recorded by the time I went into lockdown and stayed in Massachusetts for the entirety of the pandemic.”

Although the virus’ arrival halted Satanic Planet’s immediate plans to perform, the group continued to collaborate remotely on new ideas and ultimately came up with an additional song, “Strangers.”

“At that point, we thought we were done with the album. [‘Strangers’] originally started as just an off-the-cuff project; I thought it might be its own independent release or whatever, but we just incorporated it into the album.”

“Strangers” – and the entire Satanic Planet project, for that matter – took on a new life once Pearson passed the track along to Lombardo to see if he’d be interested in putting down live drums for it. Before long, the Metal legend was adding his unique touch all over the place.

“He had fun working on the entire album and really liked the idea of not necessarily doing live drums. He really liked giving the tracks this kind of deep, resonating ambience and doom sound that kind of permeates the album. He really added something there.”

Clearly, Satanic Planet is not the kind of album you play for your grandparents over cookies and cake on a quiet Sunday afternoon. Although there’s little ambiguity in the message this particular release aims to send, this writer has always maintained that “Satanic” music can be found anywhere – from Classical to Country and often without horns or a Baphomet in sight. With this in mind, I asked Greaves for his thoughts on what makes a piece of music inherently in league with The Big Guy Downstairs.

“The Satanic Planet album is laden with the philosophy we’ve injected into The Satanic Temple and things like that. To that end, I wouldn’t want to put too fine a point on, ‘This is legitimate Satanic music, and this is not.’ At the end of the day, I feel like Satanism embraces art. It doesn’t really matter if it’s a heavy-handed, specific message related to Satanism in the arts; what’s important is that it makes you feel something and that it’s enriching in some way. A lot of the intensely theocratic, monotheistic religions have had a historic acrimonious relationship to art. I feel like art, in and of itself in many ways, is very much a Satanic practice.”

Now that Satanic Planet has been unleashed upon the masses, the menace captured on disc and vinyl is raising more than a few eyebrows – especially within a Metal community that is largely scratching its head (and spouting considerable online vitriol) over everything from Lombardo’s presence to the album’s overall content. (Let’s get real for a moment: Fans of Slayer’s Hell Awaits shouldn’t be too shocked over the drummer’s involvement in something called Satanic Planet, while anyone who’s genuinely surprised by Lombardo’s contributions to such esoteric sounds would do well to check out his past work with John Zorn and Bill Laswell.) While he is certainly no stranger to controversy, Greaves is nonetheless nonplussed by the response.

“I had no idea how shitty the Metal scene can be with its purists. There are people who are outright pissed off that this isn’t a Metal album or that Dave isn’t playing Slayer drums on every track. That’s bizarre to me – the insistence some people have that the music you make needs to fall within some well-defined genre parameters. That wasn’t something I was familiar with until watching people’s reactions to this album.”

Away from Satanic Planet, Greaves is of course maintaining a heavy schedule with The Satanic Temple, the first overtly political occult organization in American history. While the Temple’s headline-grabbing activities are a far cry from those of other Satanic organizations, Greaves believes that such tactics are a necessary evil.

“I had no need to join or create an organization unless it was serving some organizational function. To me, in the case of The Satanic Temple, that was fighting back against the attempted theocratic overthrow of the United States – and, by extension, the entirety of the world.”

Naturally, not everyone has welcomed this cause with open arms. Although Greaves’ various media appearances have consistently demonstrated that he is affable, articulate and quick-witted, it’s not a stretch to suggest that many reporters and viewers have mentally placed either a target on his chest or a clown nose on his face. (As just one example, check out Tucker Carlson’s characteristically histrionic exchange with the guy.) How does he respond to critics who suggest that The Satanic Temple is merely trolling at best and proselytizing at worst?

“First and foremost, I find it odd that people contrast us against the theocrats we’re obviously pushing back against and find us to be the ones who are being provocative, inflammatory or otherwise poking our noses in where they don’t belong. It drives me insane to see people hitting us with criticism that we’re just trying to insert ourselves where we don’t belong when we’re asking to put a Satanic monument alongside a Ten Commandments monument on public grounds – and that our drive to do so is merely political or trolling and not really religious. I can handle that type of scrutiny as long as it’s equally applied. They don’t look at the evangelical groups that are fighting to have these monuments that open the door for us to have our monuments and ask, ‘Well, are they just being provocative against secularists? Are they just trying to spit in their eye? Are they just trolling to get their evangelical advertising all over public grounds?’ People are just kind of inert to this idea that [evangelicals] deserve placement there and any other claim to equal representation can’t actually be something that is reflective of somebody’s deeply held belief. They see what were doing as just something that is meant to offend the Christians; it doesn’t matter if what they’re doing is offensive or not. To me, that’s just really bizarre […] I just don’t understand what people don’t understand about what we’re trying to do here and how it goes well beyond being some kind of prank or just mere trolling.”

Considering the political and social divides in our country these days, it comes as no surprise that conflicts of opinion often exist within The Satanic Temple’s membership. (A Satanist myself, I have misgivings about the potential unintended consequences of some of the Temple’s legislative endeavors, but that’s a topic for another time.) What is surprising is that these squabbles don’t faze Greaves in the least.

“I think one of the good things about us is we don’t demand that everybody agrees with everything that we do. We try to keep things flexible so that there can be internal debate, and we’re not cult-like; we don’t prevent people from affiliations with any outside groups or ex-members or anything like that. Sometimes, people look at the disagreements we have internally and think this is a sign of weakness or our impending collapse. In fact, I think it’s a sign of our strength and our dedication to leaving those avenues open and leaving people to free inquiry.”

As for the future of Satanic Planet, Greaves confirms that a second album is currently being composed via filesharing, adding that Lombardo is taking an active role in the initial creation of the tracks this time around.

“The kinds of files that we’re exchanging back and forth right now indicate that this one’s going to sound a little different, but it’s also going to have a lot of that same complexity to it. I’m really excited about it.”

The group also hopes to make its long-delayed debut on the live stage in the coming months.

“We’re looking at our prospects for playing live sometime in the near future. We don’t have anything set yet. I guess the shows we were originally going to play were delayed for a while and listed as ‘postponed,’ but I think they’re considered canceled at this point. Last I heard, the festivals just aren’t booking anybody new right now, because they’re catching up from what they didn’t [have] during COVID. It looks like most of the festivals put their lineups together before we even recorded our album. But I think by the fall, we’ll certainly be playing shows.”

Although Greaves has built a deeply polarizing public-facing life for himself, there is no denying that Satanic Planet represents his ability to attract sonic collaborators of the highest caliber. Despite its faux fretting, the world truly loves a good fright, and the album provides a fun – and ultimately harmless – way for folks to indulge in this fetish.

Happy listening – and see you in Hell!





EMAIL JOEL at gaustenbooks@gmail.com

Monday, July 12, 2021

"Leisure" Lives On: Inside the Global Celebration of Andy Gill






As regular readers of this website know, the past 18 months or so have seen a slew of releases honoring the many innovations and talents of late Gang of Four guitarist/producer Andy Gill, who passed away in February 2020 at the age of 64. Now, after years of preparation (including considerable work done by Gill himself prior to his death), fans, admirers and fellow musicians are finally able to experience The Problem of Leisure: A Celebration of Andy Gill and Gang of Four.


Released last month, The Problem of Leisure collects 20 artists from around the globe (some legendary, some new to most listeners) who offer their unique spins on hand-picked Gang of Four compositions. Considering Gill’s widespread influence on the world of music, it’s no surprise that the end results are eclectic and intriguing. From the faithful (Helmet’s “In A Ditch;” Hotei’s “To Hell With Poverty”) and ferocious (IDLES’ “Damaged Goods,” Tom Morello & Serj Tankian’s “Natural’s Not In It”) to the wildly inventive (Warpaint’s “Paralyzed;” Flea and John Frusciante’s “Not Great Men,” complete with vocals by the Silverlake Conservatory Youth Chorale) and idiosyncratic (Youth of Killing Joke’s dancey Dub reinvention of “Forever Starts Now,” Sekar Melati’s live gamelan version of “Not Great Men”), the album serves a suitable celebration of a man who spent his life stretching sound beyond convention.


The Problem of Leisure was initially conceived as a multi-act tribute release commemorating the 40th anniversary of Gang of Four’s legendary 1979 debut album, Entertainment! However, Gill’s widow, Catherine Mayer, explains that those plans – and the project’s initial timetable – soon changed.


“It always would have been a bit of a tight schedule. This sort of album, where you have multiple artists involved, is going to take a long time. Some of them will turn around and deliver a track right away, and others will say that they’re going to and then they’ll disappear. Also, Andy was always deeply involved in every aspect of what the band was doing and busy in all sorts of other respects. At various times, he sort of co-managed the band, but he was also always writing new stuff. He also had a funny relationship with time; he always hoped things would be quicker than they were. I don’t know that he would have ever necessarily hit the deadline for it being launched on the 40th anniversary of Entertainment! But even before he was tested in that way, it changed course because he started approaching musicians he really admired and who he thought might do something interesting. Several of them came back and were really enthusiastic, but they wanted to do tracks that weren’t on Entertainment! So, it had already moved away from being just Entertainment! Once that happened, he then started being more interested in what the creative process was. He was really very, very excited by that. He was getting feedback from all these musicians he really cared about who were talking to him about the songs themselves and what could be done with them.”


With the artists afforded a free hand in selecting their tracks, it soon became clear that the album would end up featuring more than one cover of a particular number – something that wasn’t an issue for Gill.


“He was actually curious to see what different people would do with the same track. It didn’t matter to him which album people chose things from; he just wanted to see what they’d come up with. He got very far down that track at the point where he became ill.”


Gill continued to work on the album (as well as Gang of Four material that would later comprise the posthumous EPs This Heaven Gives Me Migraine and Anti Hero) from his hospital bed.


“I was not involved in the project in any formal way at all, but when Andy was in hospital, I was actually helping him with his computers and communications. But really, this was totally his project. He was excited about it literally until the moment he couldn’t be excited about anything. So, that’s why when he died, there was no question in my mind that it needed to be finished. In the hospital, I had made – at his request – a list of people he still felt he wanted to get involved with the project. There was also a rudimentary track list, which I followed to a very large extent.”


Very much to its credit, The Problem Of Leisure doesn’t pretend that Gang of Four’s relevance ceased once the original lineup splintered following 1981’s Solid Gold. Instead, the collection provides a fairly far-reaching representation of the band’s work, even touching on later tracks ( “Broken Talk” [reimagined in Mandarin by Hardcore Raver in Tears as “Last Mile”], “Where The Nightingale Sings” and “Forever Starts Now”) released during the time Gill stood as Gang of Four’s sole remaining original member. This part of the album’s focus was due in part to Massive Attack’s Robert Del Naja (appearing on the album under his remix name, 3D, alongside British duo Nova Twins), who suggested having a go at the 2015 track “Where The Nightingale Sings.”


“Robert was one of the first people to come back and say, ‘I actually want to do something much later.’ ‘Nightingale’ was already in before Andy died. In fact, it was being mixed while he was in hospital.”


The final track received for the album – former Gang of Four/David Bowie bassist Gail Ann Dorsey’s fantastic rendition of 1982’s “We Live As We Dream, Alone” – holds a special place in Mayer’s heart.


“That just felt like a commentary on what we were all going through. It also meant so much, because Gail and Andy really loved each other. She had been in the band, but they had also been friends for so many years. I’m so happy she was able to deliver that. I’m sad that he didn’t hear it.”


Fortunately, Gill was alive long enough to be blown away by several of the recordings.


“He took so much pleasure in the bits of this album he heard. He really did love the IDLES track; he loved the Gary Numan cover [“Love Like Anthrax,” with Ade Fenton], and he loved The Dandy Warhols [“What We All Want”] and talked about Everything Everything [Natural’s Not In it,” produced by Gill]. The Flea and John Frusciante track came in when Andy was still not only able to hear it but able to both laugh himself silly and say, ‘This is absolutely brilliant!’ There was so much on that album that excited him.”


Artwork for The Problem of Leisure (which is available in a plethora of formats and editions) comes courtesy of Damien Hirst.



“It was a bit of a mutual appreciation society,” Mayer says of her late husband’s relationship with the British artist. “They both really liked what the other one did and saw echoes of what they were trying to do in each other’s work as well. Andy and I had gone to the huge exhibition that Damien did in Venice, ‘Treasures from the Wreck of the Unbelievable.’ We had been to a lot of his stuff, but that had been while this project was gestating. Andy had seen the artwork by Damien and loved the kind of playfulness in it – the way in which it sort of plays with your expectations and the sort of deceptive, often childlike simplicity of the imagery. If you think about the artwork, which Andy did himself, for [Gang of Four’s 2019 album] Happy Now, there’s an awful lot of the same impulse in there – something that is a bit joyous and silly but also, in that case, a bit dark. You can take those images and make something that’s multilayered out of it.


“Damien sent all these different possibilities,” she adds. “There was a whole different set of imagery, but Andy instantly went for the dog. He just loved it.”



The cover’s googly-eyed charm reflects a side to Gill that few detected amidst a body of work full of political observations and melancholic introspection. On stage, the man was all business – very often well dressed and regularly delivering the penetrating, steely-eyed glare of a disapproving headmaster. However, as this writer experienced firsthand in 2016, backstage was a decidedly different affair. Once the seriousness of the Gang of Four experience was stripped away for the evening, Gill was jovial and extremely good company – something Mayer knows better than anyone.



“His stage persona was so austere, [but] he was such a bloody nice person. He was lovely, and he was very, very funny. I don’t think that those sides come across in the public persona. That was, for me, the thing I wanted to get across. I’ve posted some pictures [on social media] that he’d probably kill me for posting! (laughs) Instead of it being all cheekbones and scowls, it’s him doing very silly stuff. I just wanted people to be able to see that.”


Above all, The Problem of Leisure showcases the legacy of a deeply creative force who never stopped working. While most musicians are a notoriously lazy lot, Gill was very much a moving target – always on his way to conceptualizing and achieving the next thing. Considering she spent years alongside a man of such drive, what does Mayer credit as the engine for a work ethic that enabled her partner to maintain his focus even as his sun began to fade?  


“I don’t think he had a choice. It’s funny; I’m a writer, and sometimes I actually feel there’s something wrong with me if I’m not writing. He was like that, but even more so. Back in the pre-digital era, he was forever tormented by getting whole songs coming into his head that he wanted to find a way of recording or writing down. He wouldn’t know how to do it. They would come at inopportune moments – when we were in the middle of dinner or on a walk in the middle of nowhere. He would ring our old-style answer phone that had a cassette tape in it. He would sing things or do rhythms down the phone or whatever into those tapes.”


Not surprisingly, Gill’s mind worked overtime while traveling as well.


“[With] the no-frills airlines that we used quite a lot, you really wanted as little luggage as possible. Andy would nevertheless pack an entire keyboard and a computer in his luggage! He was never not writing music.”


Naturally, Gill left behind an extensive – and chaotic – personal archive of his adventures both as a member of Gang of Four and as an in-demand producer for the likes of Michael Hutchence, The Red Hot Chili Peppers and host of others. Mayer is in the process of making sense of it all.  


“Sorting through what there is has been astonishing, and I’m nowhere near the end of it. I’ve found music that has never been out there […] I also have funny things. I’ve got not one but two battered microwaves, with the implements used to beat them to death [on the Gang of Four track “He’d Send In The Army”]. I have things that people wore on stage and lot and lots of personal letters. It would take me forever to go through this!”


Although there is a mountain of Gill-related material that has yet to be heard or seen by the world, Mayer cautions that it’s likely that much of it will remain that way. 


“I’m kind of exhausted with doing all of this stuff myself. There’s a whole thing that happens with widows being the keeper of the flame. He was and is the love of my life, and I don’t want to cloud that with stuff. I only want to do stuff that’s good for him; he’s not here to represent himself. I would only ever put something out there if I thought it was of value to Andy’s legacy. I don’t know what’s on these tapes I’ve found, but I’m not going to rush half-finished songs out there. That would be a disservice to him.


“There’s a thing about people saying [about the dead], ‘Oh, this is what he’d have wanted,’ and you know that’s not necessarily true,” she continues. “But in my case, there’s a ton of stuff that I know that he would have actually wanted, and it’s not all about him. Gail Ann Dorsey and I have been joking about it – and it’s not entirely joking – but Andy was pushing her and pushing her to do more solo work. I want part of his legacy to be to turn around to Gail and say, ‘Do that bloody solo work!’ He wanted her to do a cover of Blue Öyster Cult’s “Don’t Fear The Reaper.’ She and I have been talking about her finally doing that. John Sterry – JJ Sterry, who was the last singer in the [Gang of Four] lineup – and Andy became very close. Andy so wanted him to have a solo career. So, again, that is to me another part of his legacy.”



When the world heard the devastating news of Gill’s passing, social media feeds and media reports were instantly flooded with tributes and remembrances (including a piece by yours truly). These expressions of appreciation were very much in line with the reverence shown to Gang of Four in recent years – a well-earned (if decades-late) acknowledgement of the genius of a band that unjustly struggled to achieve mainstream success for the majority of its career. This posthumous praise, and the release of The Problem of Leisure and other recent Gang of Four-related projects, begs an important question: Did Gill have a sense of how much people loved him and how meaningful his work was to them?


“No, and that’s one of the things that’s the most difficult for me,” Mayer replies. “He was such a funny person. He knew how good he was; he used to periodically tell me that he was a genius and I was very lucky to be with him! (laughs) And I would agree, obviously. But he also was incredibly modest [...] You have no idea how many of our close friends were utterly shocked by the outpouring about Andy after he died. They really had no idea he was a prominent musician. I’ve worked in very different fields to him, so we have lots of friends who are in politics, other areas of the arts and other areas of life. They didn’t know much about music. They’d go to his gigs and they’d like the music, but they had no idea – and he wouldn’t have thought to tell them. He saved the ‘I’m a genius’ stuff for me!”


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Sunday, July 4, 2021

IT'S ALIVE!: Inside the Low-Brow Lyrical World of Electric Frankenstein





All great bands understand the value of making a visual statement to go along with their music. For New Jersey Punk Rock & Roll veterans Electric Frankenstein (EF), this has meant 30 years of awesome low-brow poster and album cover art. But what happens when the band’s actual music gets interpreted by some of the world’s most inventive and incendiary artists? This new 350-plus page book of illustrated lyrics answers that question by taking 125 selections from EF’s extensive 1994-2017 discography and bringing them to life in glorious (and often gloriously grotesque) ways. If trashy comics, film noir, Punk Rock and NSFW sex and gore bring a smile to your face, then this ones definitely for you.


Yes, all the great horror/sleaze/Rock poster artists are here, but there’s also a slew of newer or previously unrecognized talents in this collection who will titillate, test your limits of good taste and make you want to put on your favorite EF records and view along.

Personal favorite? Well, that’s a tough one, although I must give a nod to the woman-getting-her-bare-bottom-reddened-by-a-sinister-priest BDSM charm of Ben Tegel’s art for the rare EF track “Let’s Sin.”

Stunning from cover to cover, this book is an absolute must-have for admirers of adventurous art and fans of the output of one of the most prolific and consistently great bands in American underground music history.

Get yourself a copy of the book at its Kickstarter page.






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Sunday, June 13, 2021

Across the Universe: Marty Willson-Piper Introduces Space Summit






Already a favorite musician of mine long before I launched this website, Marty Willson-Piper has become my most covered living artist since our initial interview in 2018. This is due to the fact that the man never slows down and keeps coming up with new things for me to write about. Although he is best known for his 33-year run as the guitarist and occasional vocalist for Australian Alt Rock legends The Church, the British multi-instrumentalist has seemingly spent every second of the eight years following his departure from that band creating and celebrating music in any form he can grasp. From overseeing the immense In Deep Music Archive in Cornwall to participating in far too many musical projects and collaborations to list here, he is constantly unveiling new sounds while perpetually jumping to the next thing. (It’s highly likely he’s started at least three new recording projects by the time you finish reading this piece. I’m not kidding.)

Now, not even four months since the release of MOAT’s Poison Stream (the latest album from his extraordinary project with Niko Röhlcke of Weeping Willows; check out my review), Willson-Piper is back with yet another entity, Space Summit, and another new album, Life This Way (coming this month as a download, this September on CD and early next year on vinyl). This time around, he’s crafting tunes with Minneapolis-based singer Jed Bonniwell. Space Summit made its debut with the June 9 release of the aptly named “I’m Electric,” which features Willson-Piper assuming guitar and bass duties in a louder and more raucous fashion than anything heard on Poison Stream. Musically, the track is all over the place in the best possible way, touching on everything from Grunge to Psychedelic Folk to Britpop. It’s a stunningly gorgeous combination that somehow retains a sense of cohesion and Pop sensibility amidst the waves of eclecticism. Have a listen below:

Recorded in America, Borneo, Sweden and the UK during the pandemic, the forthcoming Space Summit album finds Willson-Piper and Bonniwell joined by harmony vocalist Phoebe Tsen (of Borneo-based duo Avery Fos) and a very familiar cast of characters: Willson-Piper’s wife, Olivia, who contributes violin and backing vocals; longtime friend, collaborator and Noctorum partner Dare Mason (who co-produced the album in addition to providing keys and slide); and stellar MOAT/Noctorum drummer Eddie John. Keep watching this space; there will surely be more to come from Willson-Piper, Bonniwell and co. leading up to Life This Way’s release.






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Sunday, June 6, 2021

Bloodbrothers Forever: The Dictators Return (Again)



Lef to right: Andy Shernoff, Albert Bouchard and Ross The Boss of The Dictators (Photo courtesy of Chipster PR)

The Dictators are making new music in 2021.

For a world hammered by bad news over the past several months, the above sentence should excite anyone familiar with this New York Punk Rock ‘N’ Roll institution. Formed in 1973 and notable for consistently great output despite frequent changes to their lineup (which at various times has included three members of Twisted Sister – drummers Richie Teeter and Mel Anderson and bassist Mark “The Animal” Mendoza), regular hiatuses and general indifference from the vast majority of the American record-buying public, The Dictators began their latest era in January with the release of a new single, “God Damn New York.” Sure, it was a welcome reformation, but the band looked considerably different from the last time we saw them. The band’s core trio since the beginning – bassist/keyboardist/vocalist Andy Shernoff and guitarists Scott “Top Ten” Kempner and Ross “The Boss” Friedman – were all there, but there was no Handsome Dick Manitoba up front. Naturally, this glaring omission was the first matter of business I addressed with Shernoff (who was actually their original lead singer anyway) during a recent Zoom call.

“Manitoba broke some agreements with us – with me – that he wasn’t going to use the name ‘Dictators.’ He trademarked the name ‘Dictators’ in his own name – not my name or Scott’s name or Ross’ name. Ross didn’t care. I’ve known Ross a long time; if he’s playing, he’s happy. But me and Scott really did care; we really didn’t want control of the trademark in his name. So, we had some lawyers talk it out, and [Manitoba and Friedman’s band at the time] agreed to change the name. It took a while for them to do it, so that was not good for me and Scott. We were not happy about having to go through all that with a guy who we’ve worked with and we’ve trusted for a long time.”

Then came a dispute over digital royalties collected by the performance rights organization SoundExchange.

“It’s similar to BMI, but they collect money from Spotify, Sirius Radio, Pandora, YouTube… It was set up by the US Government to collect digital royalties. We had a lot of money on hold there, and Richard would not sign off on the money; he wanted a piece of what me, Scott and Ross were doing. The funny thing is, me and Scott hadn’t been in touch with Ross. But over the year and a half of this whole situation, we got a little bit closer. Finally, there was a mediator involved […] Richard finally threw his hands up; what should have happened two years previously finally happened, and the money was cleared. At the end of that, Ross goes to me and Scott, ‘Hey, let’s reform the original band!’ I was like, ‘Whoa, I don’t know if I want to deal with that,’ but Scott thought it was a good idea. I love Scott; I said, ‘Let me think about it.’ So, we thought about it; this was the end of 2019. I said, ‘I’ll tell you what. After the holidays and things settle down – January 2020 – let’s start talking about it. January 2020 comes, and we start talking about it. Then, of course in February 2020, the pandemic hits. In March, things were shutting down. I’m really happy I agreed to do, because it kept me kind of sane over the past year, year and a half.”

In addition to Manitoba being out of the picture, the chances of a full-fledged reunion of the classic Dictators were further diminished by the sad fact that both ’70s-era Dictators drummers who appeared on record, Stu Boy King and Richie Teeter, are no longer with us. These absences were remedied through the arrival of longtime friend and former Blue Öyster Cult timekeeper Albert Bouchard.

“We hired him for his cowbell playing, not for any of his other so-called musical skills,” Shernoff jokes, making a clear reference to Saturday Night Live’s notorious sendup of Bouchard’s former band. “He’s just a guy we want to be with when we’re making music, plus we think he’s a great drummer. He’s a songwriting and an arranger, and he helped out with the production of these records. The all-around 360 of Albert Bouchard makes him perfect.”

“These records” refers to the two new tracks The Dictators have gifted us since reforming: “Let’s Get The Band Back Together” (a remake of a track that originally appeared on Shernoff’s 2013 solo EP, Don’t Fade Away) and the aforementioned “God Damn New York.” Both tracks live up to the band’s legacy and absolutely slay. Have a look and listen below:
Sadly, the current incarnation of The Dictators has been forced to carry on without Kempner, who was recently diagnosed with early-stage dementia.

“He’s in Connecticut with his sister. He’s okay; he’s not suffering. Unfortunately, he’s got a disease without a cure that his father had. It eats me and everybody else up, because we really wanted him to be involved.”

The band’s next single is due for release next month, while Shernoff indicated during our talk that a replacement for Kempner would be announced in the near future.

While The Dictators’ activities in the here and now are being lauded as a grand return, they merely represent the latest actions of a band that never really went away. In fact, they have returned every few years in one form or another after first reuniting in 1980 after a two-year breakup following the release of 1978’s fantastic Bloodbrothers, After a recording sabbatical in the ’80s that saw Kempner form The Del-Lords with former Rik L Rik/Joan Jett guitarist Eric Ambel and Friedman gain considerable notoriety as a member of Manowar (following a stint with Shakin’ Street), most of the band’s classic lineup (Manitoba, Shernoff and Friedman) reconvened on record in 1990 under the rebranded moniker Manitoba’s Wild Kingdom.

“Our manager at the time wanted us to call it The Dictators. In retrospect, I think we should have called it The Dictators, but Scott wasn’t in it. I said, ‘It isn’t really The Dictators without Scott,’ but I think we could have done it. If I could go back in time, I would have called it The Dictators. We did pretty well on radio and MTV – a lot better than The Dictators ever did.”

The Manitoba’s Wild Kingdom era was memorialized on the 1990 album …And You?, a fun and updated take on the Dictators sound that was bolstered by the MTV hit “The Party Starts Now.” The album was mixed by Andy Wallace, who would soon earn fame for his work on Nirvana’s Nevermind.

“Andy did a great job, but it really sounds very ’80s to me. But it’s okay. I like the songs, and it’s high-energy. It’s quick and to the point – a lot of fast stuff. I think it’s a fine record.”

With Del-Lords drummer Frank Funaro (who was eventually succeeded by Wild Kingdom’s J.P. “Thunderbolt” Patterson), The Dictators returned to the stage and studio by the mid ’90s, later releasing a long overdue fourth Dictators album, D.F.F.D., in 2001. Later years saw Manitoba, Friedman and Patterson perform under the band name Manitoba” before morphing into “Dictators NYC,” thus launching the legal back and forth that led us to the present.

With The Dictators again a living and creating entity, Shernoff and company show that longevity has been the group’s greatest strength – even if international fame and massive album sales have always been elusive for them. If you say the word “Dictators” to a hip Tri-state-area music fan of a certain age, you’ll likely see that person stand at attention. If you utter the same word to someone in the Midwest, you’ll likely be met with a blank stare. As legendary as The Dictators are on the East Coast, they have never been a lucrative endeavor on a scale eventually experienced by many of their original-era Punk contemporaries. Why in the world didn’t The Dictators reach a wider audience despite releasing fantastic albums (including two during Punk’s golden age) and being one of the fiercest live acts on the planet? Shernoff has a few answers.

“The first record [1975’s Go Girl Crazy!] came out, and we were kind of amateurs. We got signed [to Epic] very quickly, and Ross was the only guy who could play his instrument. Me and Scott were just kind of faking it, and [Stu Boy King] was totally incompetent. (laughs) It was a fun record, and it was a failure – it didn’t sell. Obviously, it’s been re-released five times since the ’70s, and people consider it a classic now, but it failed at the time. We overcompensated on the second one [1977’s Manifest Destiny]. We thought, ‘We’re going to make a record that’s commercial! We’re going to get airplay!’ We’re not the kind of band that writes commercial songs. So, we overcompensated in 1977; I call it ‘the wrong record at the right time.’ [That year] was really the time you could really make an impact with an off-the-wall record, and we made kind of a straightforward record. We played a lot; we were in England at the end of ’77 when the Sex Pistols record came out and The Clash were happening. We saw all these bands; all of sudden, it was, ‘Whoa!’ In America, nobody really cared; there were no bands that were successful. The Ramones weren’t successful. Blondie had a little bit of success, but nobody was on the charts. But you’d go to England, and The Sex Pistols are on the top of the charts. The Clash, The Stranglers… hit record after hit record. We were saying, ‘Holy mackerel!’ We came back and reassessed; we said, ‘Let’s just stick to the basics here.’ We stripped it down a bit, and I wrote a lot of songs really quickly after I came back from England. We made Bloodbrothers, which would have been the perfect record for 1977 – but it came out in 1978! We had two records on Elektra that didn’t sell, so we got dropped again and took a break.”

Of course, those of us who did buy those albums and have followed The Dictators over the years know how bulletproof they were and still are. They didn’t sell out arenas, but they kicked the asses of everyone who cared to listen. And with new music already here and more on the way – 46 years after the band’s debut album – they stand as one of the most durable acts in American music history. There are plenty of forgotten bands with Gold records, but very few can say they’re creating solid work nearly 50 years later. That’s good enough for Shernoff.

“I’m not like a famous guy, but I’ve made a lot of records. I have 200 credits on albums as a player or producer/songwriter. I’ve been in a dozen bands. I’ve had my songs on TV and in movies. I ain’t complaining. I didn’t have a hit record; I had a career. That’s the way the cookie crumbles, you know? What really counts is that every day you make music is a good day. The fact that I can make music every day is really a tremendous gift, and I think Ross and Albert feel the same way. That’s one reason why we’re really getting along today. We’re not trying to make a hit; we’re not trying to change the world or get rich. We just want to make the best high-energy Rock ‘n’ Roll in that little Dictators format that we can – and we’re doing it!”





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